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Tallen
11th September 2008, 07:48 PM
This was posted a few months ago, but I would like to remind us all again.

I have been considering the original intended purpose of LAD. And from the get go it was never intended to compete with big forums like CARM and others that literally have thousands and thousands of users. We really don’t push to grow our membership and I think we all appreciate a place to come and experience discussions without the tension that exists other places. Also, the purpose was never intended to be a debate forum, although I don’t discourage wholesome debates that will give us some insight into the Christian church and if the debates inform us rather than just act as a means of disagreement. And finally, I see LAD as an extension of my everyday ministry and a tool for teaching the Christian faith. And that is truly the simple fact of the matter; LAD is intended to be a teaching tool for its members. A place where questions can be asked and answers found without a lot of distracting noise by detractors or without condemnation and ill feelings toward any who come for answers.

Now with that said. It seems as though in the last couple of months or so the conversations have become more and more just a repeated exercise of what is happening on CARM. Sometimes we are just repeating a conversation and doing it in a mini-form, or just voicing frustration about someone or something that is said over there. It seems that, we as an overall group are starting down a road where we will end up being just another place to argue and voice differences over every subject under the sun. Let’s make an effort to avoid letting that happen. I sincerely would like LAD to be a tool to challenge all of us, and an outlet for folks who come to us and are products of the Reformations teachings and doctrines. This includes, Anglican, Baptist, Calvinist, Arminian, Lutheran, and others who can with a Christian heart teach and dialog around the scriptures and the important teachings of the church. This does not mean we will always agree, but we can always agree to respect and treat each other with a great deal compassion and tolerance. This also includes young Christians, who can come here and asked the questions they may encounter, and get straight answers from us and not feel condemnation as a result. Answers from more mature Christian believers who can offer substance to their words rather than making folks feel as though they are here to defend themselves for every thought they think.

To the LAD Members*. LAD is for you to teach and learn. It is a place that is provided for you to express yourself in a manner that will teach all of us and keep us on the track toward the goal. I truly want a diversity of Christian opinion, theology and views to be represented here, and I think we can have that without debating every point and taking the mind that we must “defend the faith” among brothers and sisters in Christ. As someone is teaching in a thread (as there are some threads where someone is trying to teach an idea or concept), I would encourage you to drop the tendency to argue every point. Instead turn to questions that will challenge and help all of us discover the Christian faith. Challenge us through wholesome discussion rather than looking for weakness. I hope that makes sense.

This is said, not to discourage good discussion, but to put LAD back on track. There is a CARM for doing the CARM stuff, and there is a LAD for doing the LAD stuff. I hope you will all see the importance of this and take this in the manner it is meant. Not as a rebuke, but a reminder of the LAD goal. And if this is meant for anyone, it is meant for my own reminder first, and as a goal not a discouragement.

Blessing to all of you that come to LAD, and please feel free to let me know what you think and desire to see on LAD. I pray that the Lord will bless you richly and carry you to new heights in knowing Him and His mercy, grace and love.

JBaker45
11th September 2008, 08:43 PM
Hi Ted,

I appreciate that LAD is a nice place to get away from the adversarial debate atmosphere that predominates most of CARM (and that is by design BTW). One thing I have noticed is that people from CARM like to come here in order to complain about CARM. I guess they feel the need to vent.

I've seen this kind of behavior before. The Radcliff crew created their own board called AARM, who's original inception seems to have been for the sole purpose of complaining about CARM. Funny how that works, but people like to find a shoulder to cry on.

Personally, I would prefer to see less whining about CARM. I like CARM. I like Matt, Diane and the whole team. But I also like LAD. I like to visit LAD to get a breather from CARM for a while.

So people, please don't complain about CARM here - Lol :smile:


God bless,
John

tking
12th September 2008, 08:22 AM
Thanks Ted,

It's always a good reminder.

tking
12th September 2008, 08:24 AM
Hi Ted,

I appreciate that LAD is a nice place to get away from the adversarial debate atmosphere that predominates most of CARM (and that is by design BTW). One thing I have noticed is that people from CARM like to come here in order to complain about CARM. I guess they feel the need to vent.

I've seen this kind of behavior before. The Radcliff crew created their own board called AARM, who's original inception seems to have been for the sole purpose of complaining about CARM. Funny how that works, but people like to find a shoulder to cry on.

Personally, I would prefer to see less whining about CARM. I like CARM. I like Matt, Diane and the whole team. But I also like LAD. I like to visit LAD to get a breather from CARM for a while.

So people, please don't complain about CARM here - Lol :smile:


God bless,
John

Sorry John, I hope I didn't offend you by stating my observations. I try to keep my "mouth" shut, but sometimes it leaks...lol.

I just have some strong feelings that spill out every now and then, but I have never and will never align myself with the Radcliffe crew.

Tallen
12th September 2008, 10:30 AM
Hi Ted,

I appreciate that LAD is a nice place to get away from the adversarial debate atmosphere that predominates most of CARM (and that is by design BTW). One thing I have noticed is that people from CARM like to come here in order to complain about CARM. I guess they feel the need to vent.

I've seen this kind of behavior before. The Radcliff crew created their own board called AARM, who's original inception seems to have been for the sole purpose of complaining about CARM. Funny how that works, but people like to find a shoulder to cry on.

Personally, I would prefer to see less whining about CARM. I like CARM. I like Matt, Diane and the whole team. But I also like LAD. I like to visit LAD to get a breather from CARM for a while.

So people, please don't complain about CARM here - Lol :smile:

John, I do understand your position and appreciate your optimistic approach. I am one of those that like to complain about CARM every once in awhile, mostly about folks that I find frustrating and distracting. I think I see LAD as a means to strategy about this more than complain though, I often find a direction as we are complainin'.

Most of the folks here have had a CARM experience in one way or another.

Let me tell you how I feel about Matt and Diane though. I think overall in my mind I appreciate their positions running a huge board like CARM, it isn't easy and they are targets of every kind of criticism that could ever happen in such a role. I also think that we all have been conditioned by the apologetics/debate mentality to think that any criticism is to be taken as a moral attack and viewed as something more than it really is, for the most part. It is obvious from the hate mail that CARM gets that there are some that truly do hate them and would like to see CARM gone. I am not one of those people. Secondly, I appreciate very much the effort Matt has put into the information he has on CARM, I have used it in the past. I think for the most part this is where he shines the brightest, he seems to have a knack of getting information and assembling it into useful articles even though I don't agree with him in some cases. I also see Matt and Diane doing very basic mistakes being in their leadership positions and often cringe and feel bad for them as they make those mistakes. It isn't easy being in a leadership position, for sure, and I suspect that there is no training for such a role as theirs.

Since you asked that this wouldn't be a complaint session about CARM and the folks there, I won't go into what I think should be done and the negatives of the leaderships positions. I will try to end this on a positive and non-complaining thought. I do love Matt, Eric and Diane, although I think Eric has taken a less active role lately and that is probably a good thing for right now. I think Eric is a better leader than either Matt or Diane and has approached CARM with a more professional attitude. I also think Diane is in a no win situation as the main point of leadership on CARM. Anything she does or says will offend some folks, because there are so many beliefs represented there, that she can't do things that will please everyone. She is a tough lady to be where she's at.

I have made some good friends on CARM, you are one John. I wish I could express to all of those friends how much I appreciate them and the hope that they bring me. Regardless of their theology. For most of us are are seeking the same goal and are truly brothers and sisters in that quest. This is where I appreciate CARM the most. The friendships and getting to meet folks that are there is a real treasure to me. And those that came to LAD from CARM are even a greater treasure. I get to see into their heart, their families, and share with them although on a small scale, the fellowship of the Spirit and our common love of our Lord. I thank Matt and Diane for that privilege, that is, the privilege to make friends and meet others that are a part of the body of Christ. The privilege that I have had in meeting folks that are truly sincere and zealous of sharing their hearts with me. The privilege to pray for folks in various things that may come up. The privilege to share my beliefs and heart. And you know John what is most important, is that there are folks that have been brought into the kingdom of God through that outreach, that is important.

So forgive me in my offenses toward you and your friends on CARM. Those that you are willing to help, find friendships with, and those that you have looked to for leadership and those that you lead. And please know my heart the next time you find me critical of those things and the people you are fellowshipping with, but know the criticism comes from a real concern and a heart that is truly in love with the people there. And those criticism are meant to build not to tear down, even though it may not seem that way. And just as those in leadership are critical of those they feel are opposed to the things of God, and do so from love of people, so is the criticism of them coming from a heart of love for them.

Blessings.

tking
12th September 2008, 11:14 AM
Great post, and I second it heartily.

JBaker45
12th September 2008, 02:38 PM
Sorry John, I hope I didn't offend you by stating my observations. I try to keep my "mouth" shut, but sometimes it leaks...lol.

I just have some strong feelings that spill out every now and then, but I have never and will never align myself with the Radcliffe crew.
It's no problem Terri.

I didn't have anyone in particular in mind. It was just a general observation.

And I suppose that a little bit of venting is to be expected.

JBaker45
12th September 2008, 02:39 PM
Thanks for your kind words Tallen.

You are my friend :smile:

Tallen
12th September 2008, 03:25 PM
Thanks for your kind words Tallen.

You are my friend :smile:

Thank you John, that means more to me than you may realize. It is good for brothers to dwell in unity. :medium-smiley-011: