Preemptive Wars

[Tallen]

Consider Iran's lastest threat:

"Senior Tehran officials are recommending a preemptive strike against Israel to prevent an Israeli attack on Iran's nuclear reactors, a senior Islamic Republic official told foreign diplomats two weeks ago in London. "

See HERE (http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1030279.html).

The United States has led the way in establishing preemptive war as a precendence. How can we object to other nations do this, when we are doing it ourselves?

[Tallen]

"Two years ago this week, in a speech at West Point, President Bush formally enunciated his doctrine of preemption. "The war on terror will not be won on the defensive," the president told a graduating class of cadets. "We must take the battle to the enemy, disrupt his plans and confront the worst threats before they emerge. In the world we have entered, the only path to safety is the path of action. And this nation will act." George Bush

[Yodas_Prodigy]

Consider Iran's lastest threat:
"Senior Tehran officials are recommending a preemptive strike against Israel to prevent an Israeli attack on Iran's nuclear reactors, a senior Islamic Republic official told foreign diplomats two weeks ago in London. "


No surprise :medium-smiley-010:

[Tallen]

A contrast:

Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets. But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you. And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloke forbid not to take thy coat also. Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again. And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise. For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them. And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same. And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again. But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil. Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. (Luke 6:26-36 KJV)

What a wonderful national policy that would be!

[Tallen]

You're right, an expected threat considering the sinful nature of the people talking.

[raderag]

The United States has led the way in establishing preemptive war as a precendence. How can we object to other nations do this, when we are doing it ourselves?

Ted,

I think preemptive war came about way before the United States even came about. Please play again.

[TigerBunny]

Consider Iran's lastest threat:

"Senior Tehran officials are recommending a preemptive strike against Israel to prevent an Israeli attack on Iran's nuclear reactors, a senior Islamic Republic official told foreign diplomats two weeks ago in London. "

See HERE (http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1030279.html).

The United States has led the way in establishing preemptive war as a precendence. How can we object to other nations do this, when we are doing it ourselves?

We learned it from the Brits Ted. :sparkle:

[bartalonis]

Well, Ted, I suppose that it is inevitable that we engage in this sort of thing since we spend as much on defense as the whole rest of the world combined.

http://www.globalissues.org/article/75/world-military-spending
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/spending.htm
http://www.borgenproject.org/Defense_Spending.html
http://www.borgenproject.org/Defense_Spending.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures

Here's an article about how many countries we have troops in.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance8.html

I have voted for the republican party in all elections from 1972 - 2006. I will not do so this year because I have watched our country deteriorate in many ways no matter which party is in office. We had a debt of only 5 trillion just a few short years ago and now it is over 11 trilliion. I have grown weary of voting for the lessor of two evils and will not do so any longer.

I have always been a patriotic person and believe in a strong defense. However, I believe moreso in the constitution and I think that we should obey it. We should not engage in a war unless it is declared by our congress. No one person should be able to commit us to a war alone except in short emergencies. The war in Iraq has been going on for 6 years. Obviously this sort of military engagement requires that the majority of our representaves in government must formally declare war or seek other remedies. Also, it is a known fact that other countries were envolved with terroristis activities far mor than was Iraq. I believe that our founding fathers were wise in the way they set this up and we should go by it. They also warned us to not entangle ourselves in foreign alliances and meddle in the affairs of foreign nations. If we keep insisting in trying to meddle in all of these nation's affairs we will eventually end up bankrupt sooner or later. Probably sooner. We can't be the policeman of the world.

If we do not come to grips with our rediculous fiat currency we will be bankrupt anyway. Our financial system is totally fiat. Every nation in the history of the world that takes up a fiat currency eventually sees it's money become worthless. Be prepared for the coming hyperinflation because it won't be pretty.

http://goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=3993

BTW, because I send you to a page on a website please do not read into it that it is an endorsement of the website. I don't have the exact figures of what we spend on defense compared to the rest of the world. However, apparently it is rather large. Nor do I know exactly how many countries we have a presence in. Apparently it is rather extensive. Our total debt including entitlements is well ove 60 trillion. We are saddling our children and children's children with an unpayable debt that they will be forced to slave away under heavy taxation to pay. Doesn't the Bible say that debt is very much like servitude. The Bible also speaks about usery. What would God think about paying interest on money that is created out of thin air? It just seems to me that it is time we take a good hard look at our country and where the two major parties are leading us. We should seriously think about moving back towards our traditional values and back towards the constitution and the republic for which it stands. The founders intended for us to have a limited government of the people, by the people, and for the people. They meant for our government to be a servant to the people. We have lost our way somewhere along the line IMHO.

bartalonis

[bartalonis]

One more footnote. Our founding fathers warned us about establishing political parties. They believed that parties would lead to our being more loyal to the parties than we are to the constitution. apparently they were right on this as well. We should all be independents and always seek God's advice and keep our minds on the constitution and the republic whenever we vote. We should vote for who we feel will best support and defend the constitution.

bartalonis

[Tallen]

Yep, I agree with both of these posts Charles. You have stated the case very well.