I'm So Sick of Hearing About Michael Jackson

[Athanasius]

The country could be under nuclear attack from North Korea - the British Army held hostage in Iran - and space aliens landing on the front yard of the White House - but all FOX and other entertainer worshipping news programs worry about is Michael Jackson and his autopsies. I don't care how that sicko died...............I'm glad his kids will now have a chance at a normal life and not have to march around in masks. This country is sick. Why should God bless it anymore?

If the Lord returned today, could he get air time on FOX?

[Swordman53]

The country could be under nuclear attack from North Korea - the British Army held hostage in Iran - and space aliens landing on the front yard of the White House - but all FOX and other entertainer worshipping news programs worry about is Michael Jackson and his autopsies. I don't care how that sicko died...............I'm glad his kids will now have a chance at a normal life and not have to march around in masks. This country is sick. Why should God bless it anymore?

If the Lord returned today, could he get air time on FOX?
I doubt that they would recognize him. We do not live in an age where humility is recognized.

[Athanasius]

I doubt that they would recognize him. We do not live in an age where humility is recognized.

Surely, humility is not recognized or prized in the age of Obama!:L48:

[Tallen]

Well..., I hear ya. It is sickening. http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_19_5.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZNxdm824MNUS)





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[Swordman53]

Surely, humility is not recognized or prized in the age of Obama!
I do not think it has anything to do with Obama. It is the celebrity mentality of our world.

I would like to offer a word of admonition to this forum:

I hear a lot of trash-talk about Obama. I did not vote for him, but we are told to hold all persons in honor.

1 Timothy 2:1 First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for everyone, 2 for kings and all who are in high positions, so that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and dignity. 3 This is right and is acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires everyone to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

1 Peter 2:17 Honor everyone. Love the family of believers. Fear God. Honor the emperor.
We should pray for this man, that as our chief executive, God gives him wisdom for the tasks ahead.

Christians have lived under pagan, Muslim, atheistic and other cultures. I do not know this man's heart. I do disagree with many of his policies. But I will honor my Lord by praying for him as commanded.

[travelah]

Yeah, I was sick of it the first time I heard about it.

[Athanasius]

I do not think it has anything to do with Obama. It is the celebrity mentality of our world.

I would like to offer a word of admonition to this forum:

I hear a lot of trash-talk about Obama. I did not vote for him, but we are told to hold all persons in honor.

1 Timothy 2:1 First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for everyone, 2 for kings and all who are in high positions, so that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and dignity. 3 This is right and is acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires everyone to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

1 Peter 2:17 Honor everyone. Love the family of believers. Fear God. Honor the emperor.
We should pray for this man, that as our chief executive, God gives him wisdom for the tasks ahead.

Christians have lived under pagan, Muslim, atheistic and other cultures. I do not know this man's heart. I do disagree with many of his policies. But I will honor my Lord by praying for him as commanded.

Sorry, but when a president supports late term abortions as a legitimate means of birth control, the only prayer I would even consider saying for him is asking for him to be convicted of sin and to repent. I used to volunteer for Right to Life, and we used little plastic fetuses in our display.....that was bad enough. But when you think of a nearly term baby having its brains sucked out, it blows the mind. Furthermore, he (Obama) does not support heroic medical measures being used to sustain the life of an aborted child who lives, and refused to support a bill to safeguard such a child's rights.

If we pray, let us pray for this sinful and abominable practice to be stopped. Peter said we must obey God and not man......! When he was commanded to stop preaching, he disobeyed the authorities, right? Christians have lived under many cultures, but I believe we are now in the end times, and what we are seeing is evil permeating everything - even some areas of the church. God help us to stand up for Jesus, regardless of the cost.

I see arrogance in this nation's leadership, not humility on any level. Arrogance not only in Obama, but in Pelosi and others as well. And if we recall, it is pride that was the FIRST sin. It is always pride which separates a people from God - and here we are! Sorry, but that's how I feel. I'll pray for our country, and for our deliverance from the grip of the worship of the Zeitgeist, that has replaced the worship of Our Lord.

[Swordman53]

Sorry, but when a president supports late term abortions as a legitimate means of birth control, the only prayer I would even consider saying for him is asking for him to be convicted of sin and to repent. I used to volunteer for Right to Life, and we used little plastic fetuses in our display.....that was bad enough. But when you think of a nearly term baby having its brains sucked out, it blows the mind. Furthermore, he (Obama) does not support heroic medical measures being used to sustain the life of an aborted child who lives, and refused to support a bill to safeguard such a child's rights.

If we pray, let us pray for this sinful and abominable practice to be stopped. Peter said we must obey God and not man......! When he was commanded to stop preaching, he disobeyed the authorities, right? Christians have lived under many cultures, but I believe we are now in the end times, and what we are seeing is evil permeating everything - even some areas of the church. God help us to stand up for Jesus, regardless of the cost.

I see arrogance in this nation's leadership, not humility on any level. Arrogance not only in Obama, but in Pelosi and others as well. And if we recall, it is pride that was the FIRST sin. It is always pride which separates a people from God - and here we are! Sorry, but that's how I feel. I'll pray for our country, and for our deliverance from the grip of the worship of the Zeitgeist, that has replaced the worship of Our Lord.
Friend,

I have been pro-life all my life. That does not excuse me from obedience to Scriptural injunctions.

Obama is not the first pro-choice president and I doubt he will be the last. Pray for wisdom for him.

[Tallen]

We should pray for this man, that as our chief executive, God gives him wisdom for the tasks ahead.

While I agree that we should pray for Obama, I think that the first and foremost prayer would to be get the man to repent of his enmity with the laws and Spirit of God. How could a man who is rejecting the wisdom of God be given wisdom to govern? It is meditation in the law of God where we find the wisdom of God. The first thing in wisdom is to realize that life is a sacred gift, and that all of God's creation is subject to His love.

Only the LORD give thee wisdom and understanding, and give thee charge concerning Israel, that thou mayest keep the law of the LORD thy God. (1Ch 22:12 KJV)

Also, it isn't Obama that we should be praying for, but all of those that are in power and leadership. It seems to me that we have men and women of weak character leading us. They often are driven by their appetites and desires, not to mention a love of money. Take McCain, for example, he is divorced and has shown weakness of character and judgment. And that was the best that the "other party" had to offer. I see that there is real evil being done in this country, and it is no longer a matter of prayer for many. We need to vote these folks out of office, scrap the idea that partisan politics works, and vote for people that are shown to have moral focus and are upstanding citizens within the communities they are from. Folks that have leadership qualities and moral fortitude. The church, in general, should get back to preaching the Gospel and equipping true leaders who have the tools to accept the wisdom of God and discern His path for our nation.

And Joshua the son of Nun was full of the spirit of wisdom; for Moses had laid his hands upon him: and the children of Israel hearkened unto him, and did as the LORD commanded Moses. (Deu 34:9 KJV)

[Tallen]

Sorry, but when a president supports late term abortions as a legitimate means of birth control, the only prayer I would even consider saying for him is asking for him to be convicted of sin and to repent.

A good prayer, IMO.

[Athanasius]

Friend,

I have been pro-life all my life. That does not excuse me from obedience to Scriptural injunctions.



Obama is not the first pro-choice president and I doubt he will be the last. Pray for wisdom for him.

Was it wrong for our forefathers to rise up against the tyranny of their ruler, George, the English king? They were Christians. Sometimes being pro-Gospel means getting off of our knees and actually doing something. Christians have been praying for this country to repent for years, but have basically sat back and allowed our country to drift more and more into immorality. Prayer is commanded, but also action.

Should Christians submit to the antichrist rulers of China who forbid the import of Bibles - or is it right for Christians to smuggle in Bibles? Or, should they just have a prayer meeting and pray for Bibles to materialize?

Should Christians in Saudi Arabia keep their mouths shut about Jesus, as the government there demands - or should they share the Gospel; or should they simply sit around and have a secret prayer meeting, asking that the Gospel will somehow get out without any disobedience to the law forbidding preaching?

At this point I will pray for the voters to have wisdom - there comes a time to realize that the Bible also counsels us to reject a heretic after one or two admonitions:

Titus 3:10: A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject

Obama claims to be a Christian, but totally rejects the uniqueness of Christ. Here is an article by Cal Thomas on the issue:

http://www.bpnews.net/BPFirstPerson.asp?ID=28392 (http://www.bpnews.net/BPFirstPerson.asp?ID=28392)

Since Obama claims to be a Christian, but denies the doctrine of Christ, he should be warned, and then rejected if he fails to repent.

As Scripture teaches, there is a time for everything:

Ecc. 3:6: A time to keep and a time to throw away.

We have prayed, but meanwhile thousands of little babies are being pulled from the wombs of their mothers. I'm sorry, but if I was present at such a medical procedure, I might be praying, but I'd also be grabbing that scalpel out of the doctor's hand.

In other words, the admonition of Scripture to pray for ALL in authority, does not excuse Christians from speaking out clearly and forcefully, and sometimes with acts of defiance (as Allan Keyes recently did at Notre Dame), when life hangs in the balance.

Millions of Christians have prayed for Obama - in complaince with Scripture. Now its time for Christian leaders to stand up and tell him that he is no Christian if he denies the uniqueness of Christ......but, pathetically, where are those voices? Maybe they're afraid to say anything negative about Obama because it will be characterized as "trash talk."

So, I guess they're all at a prayer meeting.

[Samaritan]

I do not think it has anything to do with Obama. It is the celebrity mentality of our world.

I would like to offer a word of admonition to this forum:

I hear a lot of trash-talk about Obama. I did not vote for him, but we are told to hold all persons in honor.

1 Timothy 2:1 First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for everyone, 2 for kings and all who are in high positions, so that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and dignity. 3 This is right and is acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires everyone to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

1 Peter 2:17 Honor everyone. Love the family of believers. Fear God. Honor the emperor.
We should pray for this man, that as our chief executive, God gives him wisdom for the tasks ahead.

Christians have lived under pagan, Muslim, atheistic and other cultures. I do not know this man's heart. I do disagree with many of his policies. But I will honor my Lord by praying for him as commanded.


I have prayed for your President and I will continue to pray for your President and his household's salvation.

I would ask any to please also stand in the gap and pray for our President, Jacob Zuma, (South Africa) and his household's salvation.

This is what we should be doing. Oh God give us praying spirits, give us caring hearts for the lost, in Jesus' Name, Amen.

:L23: :L23: :L23:

[Tallen]

Amen Jo. We should be praying for these men's salvation for sure.

BTW, we hear very little about South Africa in the US. Can you share a little about Jacob Zuma?

[Samaritan]

Amen Jo. We should be praying for these men's salvation for sure.

BTW, we hear very little about South Africa in the US. Can you share a little about Jacob Zuma?

It is quite late here now and will post tomorrow.

Blessings to you and yours brother.

[Swordman53]

I have prayed for your President and I will continue to pray for your President and his household's salvation.

I would ask any to please also stand in the gap and pray for our President, Jacob Zuma, (South Africa) and his household's salvation.

This is what we should be doing. Oh God give us praying spirits, give us caring hearts for the lost, in Jesus' Name, Amen.

I certainly will keep him in my prayers.

[Joe S]

I had this very thing on my mind the other day, brought on by a sermon by J. Macarthur, and I blogged about. My conclusion is dis-similar to yours. Here's some Macarthur quotes:


[Romans 13:1-7] The truth of the matter is, and you need to think about this - the truth of the matter is that our own nation was borne out of a violation of this biblical text. Now that may throw you for a loss, but that's the fact. Our nation was borne out of a violation of this text. In the name of Christian freedom.

It amazes me that you have a list of true believers, charlatans, frauds, false prophets - all jumbled together for the sake of "religious freedom" to do the political lobbying that people think is going to preserve the kingdom of God in America.

So Jesus came into a world dominated by slavery and by one man rule. The absolute antithesis of democracy, which we believe to be so dear. All the power of the state was in one man's hands.

He [Jesus] did not come with power and force to overthrow the Roman tyranny. He did not seek social change. He did not attempt to eliminate slavery. He did not come with political or economic issues at stake. They were not the concern of his life and Ministry. He did not come to bring new government, to bring democracy, to wave the flag of Judaism, even. His appeal was ever and always to the hearts of individual men and women. Not their political freedoms. Not their rights under government.

Here's my blog post:
http://thesectarian.blogspot.com/2009/06/church-and-politics.html

I figured my unpopular view would cause a tempest in a teapot, but I guess people choose to ignore pretentious laymen like me; I ain't worth the trouble. :L26:

[Tallen]

I had this very thing on my mind the other day, brought on by a sermon by J. Macarthur, and I blogged about. My conclusion is dis-similar to yours. Here's some Macarthur quotes:



Here's my blog post:
http://thesectarian.blogspot.com/2009/06/church-and-politics.html

I figured my unpopular view would cause a tempest in a teapot, but I guess people choose to ignore pretentious laymen like me; I ain't worth the trouble. :L26:

Joe, I agree.

[Samaritan]

Amen Jo. We should be praying for these men's salvation for sure.

BTW, we hear very little about South Africa in the US. Can you share a little about Jacob Zuma?

Jacob Zuma does speak about God much and he did cause an upset with the homosexuality community in South Africa when he stated it was wrong.

"Zuma was criticised by gay and lesbian groups after he criticised same-sex marriage at a Heritage Day celebration on 24 September (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_24) 2006 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006) in Stanger, saying that same-sex marriage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage) was "a disgrace to the nation and to God": "When I was growing up, an ungqingili (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ungqingili) (a homosexual) would not have stood in front of me. I would knock him out."[82] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Zuma#cite_note-81)

He also has no problem proclaiming the name of Jesus.

That is why I keep praying for Him. He does have a head knowledge but hopefully by God's grace and mercy, He will have a heart of flesh.

Many many pray for him in South Africa and he does not mind being prayed over.

He also has no problem talking about our Lord's second coming.

I don't kinow for sure but I think he has a christian mother.

If you call up his name in the search engines, there is plenty of information about him.

He also made this statement -

God expects us to rule this country because we are the only organisation which was blessed by pastors (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pastor) when it was formed. It is even blessed in Heaven (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven). That is why we will rule until Jesus comes back. We should not allow anyone to govern our city when we are ruling the country.[88] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Zuma#cite_note-87)[89] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Zuma#cite_note-88)

I got these two links from Wikipedia.


My mother says he is prayed over by various denominations and.

There is so much to share but please :L23:

[Tallen]

Thank you Jo, I appreaciate your input. I will pray for this man and South Africa. It sounds like he is way ahead of most leaders in standing for a godly nation.

Blessings.

[Joe S]

Joe, I agree.

I hope you agree with my thoughts and not that I'm a pretentious laymen that ain't worth the trouble. At least that's what I'm going to assume; don't tell me different. :P

It's not that I don't believe that Christians should be involved in politics- what I'm at odds with is the "confusing of the kingdoms".

It's hard for me to even swallow that our founders rebelled because of religious persecution, seeing how there were thriving Anglican, Presbyterian, Methodists, and Baptists in England and in the colonies. That's all the denominations a man needs.

The conundrum for me is that I enjoy the benefits of the nation they established, which I think clearly was a violation of the biblical mandate to submit to those in authority except when forbidden to worship. And I believe we should thank God for the freedoms we enjoy and should be willing to defend them. In my own family, I broke the chain of military service that extended at least to WW1 with my great grandfather Joseph, Papa in WW2, my dad in Vietnam. I believe they acted appropriately and commendably to their nation's call to arms.

I think that unfortunately patriotism and national pride has become idolatrous and elitist. We enjoy our freedoms and blessings by God's mercy and grace, not because we are inherently righteous as a nation, nor because the founders were righteous in their cause.

[Swordman53]

Joe, I agree.
That Joe is a "prententious layman, and not worth the trouble"?:L21:
I could not pass this one up.:L39:

Joe, there is much out there to read, it is often hard to get noticed. I would not take it personally.

[Swordman53]

Jacob Zuma does speak about God much and he did cause an upset with the homosexuality community in South Africa when he stated it was wrong.

"Zuma was criticised by gay and lesbian groups after he criticised same-sex marriage at a Heritage Day celebration on 24 September (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_24) 2006 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006) in Stanger, saying that same-sex marriage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage) was "a disgrace to the nation and to God": "When I was growing up, an ungqingili (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ungqingili) (a homosexual) would not have stood in front of me. I would knock him out."[82] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Zuma#cite_note-81)

He also has no problem proclaiming the name of Jesus.

That is why I keep praying for Him. He does have a head knowledge but hopefully by God's grace and mercy, He will have a heart of flesh.

Many many pray for him in South Africa and he does not mind being prayed over.

He also has no problem talking about our Lord's second coming.

I don't kinow for sure but I think he has a christian mother.

If you call up his name in the search engines, there is plenty of information about him.

He also made this statement -

God expects us to rule this country because we are the only organisation which was blessed by pastors (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pastor) when it was formed. It is even blessed in Heaven (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven). That is why we will rule until Jesus comes back. We should not allow anyone to govern our city when we are ruling the country.[88] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Zuma#cite_note-87)[89] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Zuma#cite_note-88)

I got these two links from Wikipedia.


My mother says he is prayed over by various denominations and.

There is so much to share but please :L23:
He sounds like a great leader. Would that God would raise up such men for us.

[raderag]

I hope you agree with my thoughts and not that I'm a pretentious laymen that ain't worth the trouble. At least that's what I'm going to assume; don't tell me different. :P

It's not that I don't believe that Christians should be involved in politics- what I'm at odds with is the "confusing of the kingdoms".

It's hard for me to even swallow that our founders rebelled because of religious persecution, seeing how there were thriving Anglican, Presbyterian, Methodists, and Baptists in England and in the colonies. That's all the denominations a man needs.

The conundrum for me is that I enjoy the benefits of the nation they established, which I think clearly was a violation of the biblical mandate to submit to those in authority except when forbidden to worship. And I believe we should thank God for the freedoms we enjoy and should be willing to defend them. In my own family, I broke the chain of military service that extended at least to WW1 with my great grandfather Joseph, Papa in WW2, my dad in Vietnam. I believe they acted appropriately and commendably to their nation's call to arms.

I think that unfortunately patriotism and national pride has become idolatrous and elitist. We enjoy our freedoms and blessings by God's mercy and grace, not because we are inherently righteous as a nation, nor because the founders were righteous in their cause.

Joe,

I'm interested in this topic; if you started a thread on it, I will chime in with my views.

[Athanasius]

I'm part Danish. When the Nazis occupied Denmark in WW2 they ordered all Jews to sew a yellow star of David on their clothing to distinguish them from Gentiles.

Many non-Jews decided to sew the star on their clothing as well, to demonstrate a unity with the Jews - in violation of a rule made by the higher authorities.

Many Christians hid Jews from the Nazis who were searching for them - contrary to the verse in Romans stating that Christians must submit to the higher authorities.

Did God's command to submit to the higher authorities abrogate the rest of the Bible? I doubt it. We know that early Christians defied the "higher authorities" and rulers when the met in secrecy to worship.

For instance, early Christians defied Ceasar when they refused to submit to his law that incense must be burned to images of the emperor.

God does not ask us to eject our brains - one verse in Romans does not excuse us from doing right or negate the rest of the Bible. And it certainly does not excuse us from standing against the slaughter of innocent babies, and allowing live-born babies (designated for late term abortions) to die on a cold, surgical steel utility table. We are living in godless times, my friends, and if we fail to speak out against such goldessness, will we be held guiltless?

It's not a matter of confusing the Kingdoms - for only a fool would mistake America for God's Kingdom. It's a matter of not hiding our light under a bushel for fear that the "higher authority" might crush it out.

[Joe S]

I would not argue with anything you said, and we are commanded to resist authority when obedience to authority would require us to disobey God, compromise our beliefs or worship. Paul was beaten and harassed and imprisoned because he disobeyed the civil authorities by preaching the gospel without compromise. And Rome martyred thousands of Christians for worshiping God.

But I'm not so sure our nation's founders had a righteous cause for rebellion- they were not being forced to disobey God or being prohibited from worship by England.

In the result of that God ordained rebellion, we have now a say in the workings of civil government, and we should always lawfully promote the good with our votes and voices, we should thank God for our freedoms which are not "inalienable rights" but rather gifts of his grace, and should be used in a manner glorifying to him.

[Joe S]

That Joe is a "prententious layman, and not worth the trouble"?:L21:
I could not pass this one up.:L39:

Joe, there is much out there to read, it is often hard to get noticed. I would not take it personally.

Yeah I left myself wide open with my little whine there. But at least we can all come together with one accord and agree that I am pretentious and not worth the trouble. :L47:

But I can take heart- a gentleman accused me of being a Jehovah's Witness the other day, and another chastised me for writing prayers into my blogs from time to time. At least I think that's what he did:


Anonymous said...

Give the Lord all your love and he'll take care of you with all His. In the Lord's name I give truth. Everybody doesn't need to hear nor see objects of representation. The love for Christ comes from your heart and mind. Don't be like the pagans and pronounce your love for Christ by praying where they can see you. Pray in private cause you can't be seen by man. Those that believe in Christ and love Him know who you are.

:L21:

[Swordman53]

Yeah I left myself wide open with my little whine there. But at least we can all come together with one accord and agree that I am pretentious and not worth the trouble. :L47:

But I can take heart- a gentleman accused me of being a Jehovah's Witness the other day, and another chastised me for writing prayers into my blogs from time to time. At least I think that's what he did:



:L21:
lol - I have been accused of being so many things over the years I hardly notice.

As long as people understand that I am Christ's man that is sufficient.