Thomas Jefferson said:

[Tallen]

My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.

The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.

To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical..

[tking]

My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.

The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.

To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical..



Hmmm...sounds familiar doesn't it? I've been reading Glenn Beck's Common Sense, and he says something there that really rings true (and I was even thinking of it in theological parameters).

"The result of preventing failure in a country rooted in freedom is a country that is no longer rooted in logic. Laws of economics or nature no longer seem to apply, because they simply change the rules of the game when they don't like the outcome." (underlining mine)

[Tallen]

Hmmm...sounds familiar doesn't it? I've been reading Glenn Beck's Common Sense, and he says something there that really rings true (and I was even thinking of it in theological parameters).

"The result of preventing failure in a country rooted in freedom is a country that is no longer rooted in logic. Laws of economics or nature no longer seem to apply, because they simply change the rules of the game when they don't like the outcome." (underlining mine)

I don't know about that first sentence, probably some context set that up. But I agree with his premise, because that is exactly what is happening. If they don't like an outcome they simply move the goal post. We see that in Obama's politics. If the wind isn't blowing in the right direction, he simply changes the direction he is facing.

[tking]

I don't know about that first sentence, probably some context set that up. But I agree with his premise, because that is exactly what is happening. If they don't like an outcome they simply move the goal post. We see that in Obama's politics. If the wind isn't blowing in the right direction, he simply changes the direction he is facing.

He had been writing about the banking situation and the entities that were said to be "too big to fail," and how suddenly there were more that the government couldn't let fail because they were too big and it would be disastrous, etc. And he was talking about even in the individual level, society has been taught that failure can't be allowed, growth doesn't come from failure, we don't learn from failure, and we can wait for someone else to come along and fix it. Debt...living our lives in debt and convincing ourselves that we "deserve" the niceties without having to pay for them right now.

[Tallen]

He had been writing about the banking situation and the entities that were said to be "too big to fail," and how suddenly there were more that the government couldn't let fail because they were too big and it would be disastrous, etc. And he was talking about even in the individual level, society has been taught that failure can't be allowed, growth doesn't come from failure, we don't learn from failure, and we can wait for someone else to come along and fix it. Debt...living our lives in debt and convincing ourselves that we "deserve" the niceties without having to pay for them right now.

Aah, that sheds some light on it. :L10: