Geert Wilders

[JBaker45]

Geert Wilders
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Up and coming leader of the Dutch political party called the Party For Freedom (PVV) has a vision for Europe with a lot less Islam in it. In fact, Geert has declared that the Koran is a fascist book that incites violence and should be banned just like Mein Kampf.

You may have heard something about YouTube being shutdown for a few hours last Sunday. It turns out that Geert is preparing to release a 10 minute video on the Koran, and Pakistan decided to take drastic measures. By propagating false Internet routing instructions to ISPs around the globe, Pakistan was able to prevent everyone from accessing the YouTube servers. This has since been fixed.

For more on Geert and his rising political movement see :
FOX interview (part 1 of 2) : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0jUuzdfqfc
FOX interview (part 2 of 2) : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0W6twYw4E8w&feature=related

BBC interview : http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsa/n5ctrl/progs/06/hardtalk/wilders22mar.ram

Google Geert : http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Geert+Wilders&btnG=Google+Search

[TigerBunny]

Geert Wilders
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4e/GeertWilders.jpg/225px-GeertWilders.jpg

Up and coming leader of the Dutch political party called the Party For Freedom (PVV) has a vision for Europe with a lot less Islam in it. In fact, Geert has declared that the Koran is a fascist book that incites violence and should be banned just like Mein Kampf.

You may have heard something about YouTube being shutdown for a few hours last Sunday. It turns out that Geert is preparing to release a 10 minute video on the Koran, and Pakistan decided to take drastic measures. By propagating false Internet routing instructions to ISPs around the globe, Pakistan was able to prevent everyone from accessing the YouTube servers. This has since been fixed.


For more on Geert and his rising political movement see :
FOX interview (part 1 of 2) : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0jUuzdfqfc


FOX interview (part 2 of 2) : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0W6twYw4E8w&feature=related



BBC interview : http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsa/n5ctrl/progs/06/hardtalk/wilders22mar.ram



Google Geert : http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Geert+Wilders&btnG=Google+Search


Right or wrong this man is going to need a lot of prayer. Undoubtably there is already a price on his head. :bigO:

[Tallen]

I am sure he is a marked man.

And there is nothing more stubborn than a Dutchman, not even Germans. http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_11_6.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZSYYYYYYYYUS)

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[JBaker45]

Right or wrong this man is going to need a lot of prayer. Undoubtably there is already a price on his head. :bigO:
You bet there is.

He sleeps in a different "safe house" every night, and travels with an entourage of six or more body guards.

But like he says, "people ask why don't you moderate your voice and not make this movie. If I do that and not say what I think, then the extremists who threaten me would win."

[JBaker45]

I am sure he is a marked man.

And there is nothing more stubborn than a Dutchman, not even Germans. http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_11_6.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZSYYYYYYYYUS)

I know I am in the Christian Reformed Chruch. http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_21_5.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZSYYYYYYYYUS)So he will never be able to keep quite if he has any conviction.







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I think we need more people with his conviction right here in our own country.

I'd vote for him. :smile:

[JBaker45]

I'm getting some dialog on the subject over at CARM : http://www.christiandiscussionforums.org/v/showthread.php?p=2558210

[Tallen]

The way I see it, it isn't Islam that's the problem, it is the Christianity in the Netherlands that is. What is happening there is only what God has said would happen when you forsake Him. They were a country in covenant with God, based upon sound Biblical and Christian morals and laws. They have forsaken that covenant. The country is now a liberal stronghold where legalized prostitution, euthanasia, abortion, same-sex marriage and drugs are propagated.

If Christian ethics had not been lost in the first place, then they would not have been overrun by a people that speak a foreign language and serve foreign gods. The answer to the problem is not to run out the foreigners but to return to the God of their fathers. For it is God who can save the country, not men. Scripture has a lot of examples where God's people are taken captive by foreigners who speak strange languages and worship strange gods, when they forsake Him.

The answer, repent and return to the one true God.

[JBaker45]

The way I see it, it isn't Islam that's the problem, it is the Christianity in the Netherlands that is. What is happening there is only what God has said would happen when you forsake Him. They were a country in covenant with God, based upon sound Biblical and Christian morals and laws. They have forsaken that covenant. The country is now a liberal stronghold where legalized prostitution, euthanasia, abortion, same-sex marriage and drugs are propagated.

If Christian ethics had not been lost in the first place, then they would not have been overrun by a people that speak a foreign language and serve foreign gods. The answer to the problem is not to run out the foreigners but to return to the God of their fathers. For it is God who can save the country, not men. Scripture has a lot of examples where God's people are taken captive by foreigners who speak strange languages and worship strange gods, when they forsake Him.

The answer, repent and return to the one true God.
Yes, liberalism seems to be man's natural tendency. Over time, every human institution becomes corrupted with it.

Sadly, what we see happening in Europe could soon happen here in America. In fact, it has already begun.

[Tallen]

Yes, liberalism seems to be man's natural tendency. Over time, every human institution becomes corrupted with it.

Sadly, what we see happening in Europe could soon happen here in America. In fact, it has already begun.

Yep, I agree John. We are far down the road to liberalism, and my fear is that we will soon be judged as Europe is being judged. My hope is that there will emerge from middle America and renewed voice of Christian principals and call America back through repentance by the Gospel message.

And personally, I don't see this happening through "another political party" or by "making biblical laws". It only comes from the message of Jesus Christ and His shed blood. We are in need of a voice that will speak the truth without compromise and call the unrepentant to repentance.

[JBaker45]

Yep, I agree John. We are far down the road to liberalism, and my fear is that we will soon be judged as Europe is being judged. My hope is that there will emerge from middle America and renewed voice of Christian principals and call America back through repentance by the Gospel message.

And personally, I don't see this happening through "another political party" or by "making biblical laws". It only comes from the message of Jesus Christ and His shed blood. We are in need of a voice that will speak the truth without compromise and call the unrepentant to repentance.
History has shown us, however, that when fascism is left unchallenged then freedom is lost and oppression begins.

This is what happened in both of the world wars. In both cases, the Godly thing for us to do was to defeat the fascists.

And with God's help, we were able to do so.

[Tallen]

History has shown us, however, that when fascism is left unchallenged then freedom is lost and oppression begins.

This is what happened in both of the world wars. In both cases, the Godly thing for us to do was to defeat the fascists.

And with God's help, we were able to do so.

John, I probably disagree with you about the use of military and how the government is to protect our borders. I would be a conscientious objector if it was required of me to fight in either of the wars we are now engaged in. I was vocal against both fighting a war in Afghanistan and the invasion of Iraq, before we did either of those things. I see the role of the government in this regard to one of protecting our boarders against foreign invaders on our own soil and promoting the welfare of the citizenry. Fighting foreign ideologies on foreign soil is not a biblical mandate.

[JBaker45]

John, I probably disagree with you about the use of military and how the government is to protect our borders. I would be a conscientious objector if it was required of me to fight in either of the wars we are now engaged in. I was vocal against both fighting a war in Afghanistan and the invasion of Iraq, before we did either of those things. I see the role of the government in this regard to one of protecting our boarders against foreign invaders on our own soil and promoting the welfare of the citizenry. Fighting foreign ideologies on foreign soil is not a biblical mandate.
Well, now I think we are wandering a little off-topic.

But remember, Geert *is* dealing with his country's own borders. ;-)


God bless Ted,
John

[Tallen]

Well, now I think we are wandering a little off-topic.

But remember, Geert *is* dealing with his country's own borders. ;-)

But he is promoting an unbiblical method of doing such. They need to repent of their own abandonment of their convenant with God, and repent as a nation for their ungodliness. And..., preach the gospel of Jesus Christ, converting the lost and bringing them into the covenant that their forefathers swore with the Almighty.

Isa 3:8 KJV For Jerusalem is ruined, and Judah is fallen: because their tongue and their doings are against the LORD, to provoke the eyes of his glory.


Isa 28:11 KJV For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.

[JBaker45]

But he is promoting an unbiblical method of doing such. They need to repent of their own abandonment of their convenant with God, and repent as a nation for their ungodliness. And..., preach the gospel of Jesus Christ, converting the lost and bringing them into the covenant that their forefathers swore with the Almighty.

Isa 3:8 KJV For Jerusalem is ruined, and Judah is fallen: because their tongue and their doings are against the LORD, to provoke the eyes of his glory.


Isa 28:11 KJV For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
How is the criminalization of a fascist ideology and a book that promotes it (such as Hitler's own Mein Kompf) unbiblical?

[Tallen]

How is the criminalization of a fascist ideology and a book that promotes it (such as Hitler's own Mein Kompf) unbiblical?

How do you criminalize ideologies, the Bible never done that and there is no way to regulate it?

What it condemned was the practice of certain ideologies. For instance, and this is speaking on a political level, idolatry is not condemned in scripture if the person keeps it as an ideology, it is condemned in practice. Idolaters lived in Israel. The point being that there needs to be national repentance and a return to their covenant with God. Repentance starts in the house of God and then spreads to the unbeliever and those that live according to the flesh.

Gal 5:19-21 KJV Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, (20) Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, (21) Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

[JBaker45]

How do you criminalize ideologies, the Bible never done that and there is no way to regulate it?

What it condemned was the practice of certain ideologies. For instance, and this is speaking on a political level, idolatry is not condemned in scripture if the person keeps it as an ideology, it is condemned in practice. Idolaters lived in Israel. The point being that there needs to be national repentance and a return to their covenant with God. Repentance starts in the house of God and then spreads to the unbeliever and those that live according to the flesh.

Gal 5:19-21 KJV Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, (20) Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, (21) Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Look.. I'm not an abolitionist or anything, and I doubt the Geert is either. But would you support the free distribution of pornography on these same grounds? And if not, then think about the reasons why you would not.

It is biblical to protect our society (and the little ones). Scripture says that it is better to remove that which causes us to offend than to suffer the consequences of the offence (Matthew 18:7-10).

Also, are we not admonished to abstain from things which cause our brothers to stumble :
1 Corinthians 8:9 But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours becomes a stumbling block to them that are weak.
And this is precisely the way that Europe chose to deal with Nazi-ism after WW2; they removed a major source of the stumbling block (ie Mein Kampf).

So I find that this course of action is not unbiblical at all, and in fact has a proven track record.

[Tallen]

But would you support the free distribution of pornography on these same grounds?

Pornography is not an ideology, an you could never regulate a persons thoughts in this area. It is a matter of the heart, and the lust of the heart can produce all kinds of lust without no trouble.


It is biblical to protect our society (and the little ones).

I agree, but we differ in method.


Also, are we not admonished to abstain from things which cause our brothers to stumble :

This is true, so abstain from those things. Do not practice Islam and preach the gospel to those that are followers.


And this is precisely the way that Europe chose to deal with Nazi-ism after WW2; they removed a major source of the stumbling block (ie Mein Kampf).

And the Nazi's proliferated and came to the very place that sought to end their ideology. The European method didn't work, and if you want to see Nazi's go to where they banned the books. Go to the Netherlands.



So I find that this course of action is not unbiblical at all, and in fact has a proven track record.

John, we are going to disagree here, and I would point out the track record of Europe, in this regard, is abysmal. In fact, it help to spread Nazi ideology even more and today we face a far greater threat in the numbers of Nazi's in far more places than immediately post WWII. In fact, it has caused acts of terrorism and tyranny across Europe and within our borders as well.

If you want to see an active Nazi movement go to the Netherlands, you will see them walking the streets without regard to anything that was ever banned.

By the way John, you do know that a large part of the Dutch population are considered Nazi's, don't you? They are called Pimpo Nazi's over there.

[JBaker45]

Pornography is not an ideology, an you could never regulate a persons thoughts in this area. It is a matter of the heart, and the lust of the heart can produce all kinds of lust without no trouble.



I agree, but we differ in method.



This is true, so abstain from those things. Do not practice Islam and preach the gospel to those that are followers.



And the Nazi's proliferated and came to the very place that sought to end their ideology. The European method didn't work, and if you want to see Nazi's go to where they banned the books. Go to the Netherlands.




John, we are going to disagree here, and I would point out the track record of Europe, in this regard, is abysmal. In fact, it help to spread Nazi ideology even more and today we face a far greater threat in the numbers of Nazi's in far more places than immediately post WWII. In fact, it has caused acts of terrorism and tyranny across Europe and within our borders as well.

If you want to see an active Nazi movement go to the Netherlands, you will see them walking the streets without regard to anything that was ever banned.

By the way John, you do know that a large part of the Dutch population are considered Nazi's, don't you? They are called Pimpo Nazi's over there.
I agree that the Netherlands are in the worst shape over there.

They have been consumed by perhaps the most liberal thinkers that this world has ever produced. Thus, even more so, we see the disparate need for a political movement like Geert's Party For Freedom (the PVV).

Any way.. I guess you are right, we are going to disagree on methods.

Maybe we can love a few of the bad men toward righteousness, but we must not allow the ones who will not respond to destroy us in the process.


God's speed,
John

[Tallen]

Maybe we can love a few of the bad men toward righteousness, but we must not allow the ones who will not respond to destroy us in the process.

I agree.

I would say the way to this is through the family. The best defense against moral evil is to inculcate ourselves in the law of God and the Gospel of Christ and live that life as an example to our children and those around us. Training our children in the same lifestyle.


Jos 1:8 KJV This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success.

Consider this John:


Psa 1:1-6 KJV Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. (2) But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night. (3) And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper. (4) The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away. (5) Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous. (6) For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.

You know, one thing I am confident about, and I am absolutely sure we agree here, is that the gates of hell (Islam, and all religions that are anti-christ included) will not prevail against the Kingdom of Christ. We have the victory, and however we are led to walk in that Kingdom, if we walk according to the covenant being faithful to Him, we will be the ones that overcome all of our enemies through Christ.


Mat 16:18 KJV And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.


Joh 18:36 KJV Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

[JBaker45]

Geert's latest address :
Madam Speaker, allow me, first, to express my sincere thanks to you personally for having planned a debate on Islam on the very day of my birthday. I could not have wished for a nicer present! Madam Speaker, approximately 1400 years ago war was declared on us by an ideology of hate and violence which arose at the time and was proclaimed by a barbarian who called himself the Prophet Mohammed. I am referring to Islam.

Madam Speaker, let me start with the foundation of the Islamic faith, the Koran. The Koran’s core theme is about the duty of all Muslims to fight non-Muslims; an Islamic Mein Kampf, in which fight means war, jihad. The Koran is above all a book of war – a call to butcher non-Muslims (2:191, 3:141, 4:91, 5:3), to roast them (4:56, 69:30-69:32), and to cause bloodbaths amongst them (47:4). Jews are compared to monkeys and pigs (2:65, 5:60, 7:166), while people who believe in Jesus Christ as the Son of God must according to the Koran be fought (9:30).

Madam Speaker, the West has no problems with Jews or Christians, but it does have problems with Islam. It is still possible, even today, for Muslims to view the Koran, which they regard as valid for all time, as a licence to kill. And that is exactly what happens. The Koran is worded in such a way that its instructions are addressed to Muslims for eternity, which includes today’s Muslims. This in contrast to texts in the Bible, which is formulated as a number of historical narratives, placing events in a distant past. Let us remind ourselves that it was Muslims, not Jews or Christians, who committed the catastrophic terrorist attacks in New York, Madrid and London; and that it was no coincidence that Theo van Gogh was brutally murdered by a Muslim, Mohammed Bouyeri.

Madam Speaker, I acknowledge that there are people who call themselves Muslims and who respect our laws. My party, the Freedom Party, has nothing against such people, of course. However, the Koran does have something against them. For it is stated in the Koran in Sura 2, verse 85, that those believers who do not believe in everything the Koran states will be humiliated and receive the severest punishment; which means that they will roast in Hell. In other words, people who call themselves Muslims but who do not believe, for example, in Sura 9, verse 30, which states that Jews and Christians must be fought, or, for example, in Sura 5, verse 38, which states that the hand of a thief must be cut off, such people will be humiliated and roast in Hell. Note that it is not me who is making this up. All this can be found in the Koran. The Koran also states that Muslims who believe in only part of the Koran are in fact apostates, and we know what has to happen to apostates. They have to be killed.

Madam Speaker, the Koran is a book that incites to violence. I remind the House that the distribution of such texts is unlawful according to Article 132 of our Penal Code. In addition, the Koran incites to hatred and calls for murder and mayhem. The distribution of such texts is made punishable by Article 137(e). The Koran is therefore a highly dangerous book; a book which is completely against our legal order and our democratic institutions. In this light, it is an absolute necessity that the Koran be banned for the defence and reinforcement of our civilisation and our constitutional state. I shall propose a second-reading motion to that effect.

Madam Speaker, there is no such thing as “moderate Islam”. As Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan said the other day, and I quote, “There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. Islam is Islam and that’s it”. Islam is in pursuit of dominance. It wishes to exact its imperialist agenda by force on a worldwide scale (8:39). This is clear from European history. Fortunately, the first Islamic invasion of Europe was stopped at Poitiers in 732; the second in Vienna in 1683. Madam Speaker, let us ensure that the third Islamic invasion, which is currently in full spate, will be stopped too in spite of its insidious nature and notwithstanding the fact that, in contrast to the 8th and 17th centuries, it has no need for an Islamic army because the scared “dhimmis” in the West, also those in Dutch politics, have left their doors wide open to Islam and Muslims.
Apart from conquest, Madam Speaker, Islam is also bent on installing a totally different form of law and order, namely Sharia law. This makes Islam, apart from a religion for hundreds of millions of Muslims also, and in particular, a political ideology (with political/constitutional/Islamic basic values, etc). Islam is an ideology without any respect for others; not for Christians, not for Jews, not for non‑believers and not for apostates. Islam aims to dominate, subject, kill and wage war.

Madam Speaker, the Islamic incursion must be stopped. Islam is the Trojan Horse in Europe. If we do not stop Islamification now, Eurabia and Netherabia will just be a matter of time. One century ago, there were approximately 50 Muslims in the Netherlands. Today, there are about 1 million Muslims in this country. Where will it end? We are heading for the end of European and Dutch civilisation as we know it. Where is our Prime Minister in all this? In reply to my questions in the House he said, without batting an eyelid, that there is no question of our country being Islamified. Now, this reply constituted a historical error as soon as it was uttered. Very many Dutch citizens, Madam Speaker, experience the presence of Islam around them. And I can report that they have had enough of burkas, headscarves, the ritual slaughter of animals, so‑called honour revenge, blaring minarets, female circumcision, hymen restoration operations, abuse of homosexuals, Turkish and Arabic on the buses and trains as well as on town hall leaflets, halal meat at grocery shops and department stores, Sharia exams, the Finance Minister’s Sharia mortgages, and the enormous overrepresentation of Muslims in the area of crime, including Moroccan street terrorists.
In spite of all this, Madam Speaker, there is hope. Fortunately. The majority of Dutch citizens have become fully aware of the danger, and regard Islam as a threat to our culture. My party, the Freedom Party, takes those citizens seriously and comes to their defence.
Many Dutch citizens are fed up to the back teeth and yearn for action. However, their representatives in The Hague are doing precisely nothing. They are held back by fear, political correctness or simply electoral motives. This is particularly clear in the case of PvdA, the Dutch Labour Party, which is afraid of losing Muslim voters. The Prime Minister said in Indonesia the other day that Islam does not pose any danger. Minister Donner believes that Sharia law should be capable of being introduced in the Netherlands if the majority want it. Minister Vogelaar babbles about the future Netherlands as a country with a Judeo‑Christian‑Islamic tradition, and that she aims to help Islam take root in Dutch society. In saying this, the Minister shows that she has obviously gone stark raving mad. She is betraying Dutch culture and insulting Dutch citizens. Madam Speaker, my party, the Freedom Party, demands that Minister Vogelaar retract her statement. If the Minister fails to do so, the Freedom Party parliamentary group will withdraw its support for her. No Islamic tradition must ever be established in the Netherlands: not now and also not in a few centuries’ time.
Madam Speaker, let me briefly touch on the government’s response to the WRR [Netherlands Scientific Council for Government Policy] report. On page 12 of its response, the government states that Islam is not contrary to democracy or human rights. All I can say to that is that things can’t get much more idiotic than this.

Madam Speaker, it is a few minutes to twelve. If we go on like this, Islam will herald the end of our Western civilisation as well as Dutch culture.
I would like to round off my first-reading contribution with a personal appeal to the Prime Minister on behalf of a great many Dutch citizens: stop the Islamification of the Netherlands!
Mr Balkenende, a historic task rests on your shoulders. Be courageous. Do what many Dutch citizens are screaming out for. Do what the country needs. Stop all immigration from Muslim countries, ban all building of new mosques, close all Islamic schools, ban burkas and the Koran. Expel all criminal Muslims from the country, including those Moroccan street terrorists that drive people mad. Accept your responsibility! Stop Islamification!
Enough is enough, Mr Balkenende. Enough is enough.

[TigerBunny]

Wow...just...wow.

Too bad he didn't go a bit deeper into the Bible.

[JBaker45]

Wow...just...wow.
Uhhhhh... yeh... yeh.

[JBaker45]

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[Tallen]

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You like this fellow, don't cha John?

I would say he is among the best at playing on emotions for political gain. He would make a good Bush Republican and probably can find enough support for a war against some Islamic country or group in his own.

It's the, let's spend trillions of dollars killing lots people in their countries so that we don't have to kill them in our own, mentality.

Personally I have the, rather spend trillions of dollars making our borders safe and secure from within, killing a few that reach our soil and break our law, mentality.

[JBaker45]

You like this fellow, don't cha John?

I would say he is among the best at playing on emotions for political gain. He would make a good Bush Republican and probably can find enough support for a war against some Islamic country or group in his own.

It's the, let's spend trillions of dollars killing lots people in their countries so that we don't have to kill them in our own, mentality.

Personally I have the, rather spend trillions of dollars making our borders safe and secure from within, killing a few that reach our soil and break our law, mentality.
Basically, Geert's position is that Muslim in the Netherlands (and other western countries for that matter) should abide by Danish/local law and not Sharia.

For the majority of Muslims this is not a problem, but there is a growing minority of Islamofascists that have converted many parts of the Netherlands (in Amsterdam and other major cities) into little Sharia ghettos.

With no regard for Danish law, even people passing through these areas can be killed for violating Sharia law. It's like the "Wild East" (think Wild West).

And yes, I agree with him.

[JBaker45]

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Liveleak was threatened into removing it.

New location (for anyone who is interested) : http://www.groepwilders.com/

[Tallen]

I wonder if this is the response he was expecting?

HERE (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080406/wr_nm/dutch_islam_iran_dc_1)

I wonder if Wilders is trying to provoke some people into a negative action? Although I know it doesn't take much in this case.

[JBaker45]

Wow.. That's actually quite civilized.

[Tallen]

A sign of things to come. This is a good place to put this, and I wonder how Wilders views such things?

[JBaker45]

Hey, guess what.. Geert has his own discussion forums now : http://www.groepwilders.com/forum/default.aspx
I'm already registered as you know who ;-)

[Tallen]

Hey, guess what.. Geert has his own discussion forums now : http://www.groepwilders.com/forum/default.aspx
I'm already registered as you know who ;-)

Hey!!! LAD actually has more members than his board. :bigtup:

I am sure that probably will change quickly.

[JBaker45]

Hey!!! LAD actually has more members than his board. :bigtup:

I am sure that probably will change quickly.
Hahaha - You are sooooo funny :smile:

[JBaker45]

I just asked Geert's second in command, Fleur Agema, out for a date.

I wonder if I will get a reply :smile:

[JBaker45]

Nope.. Nothing yet.


Zip...

Diddley..

Bumkiss..


:making_faces:

[Tallen]

So how would this work on the first date? Do you fly her here to the states or do you fly to her? http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/11/11_1_211v.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZSYYYYYYYYUS)







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[JBaker45]

So how would this work on the first date? Do you fly her here to the states or do you fly to her? http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/11/11_1_211v.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZSYYYYYYYYUS)
Either way.

[Tallen]

Either way.

:bigtup:

[TigerBunny]

It's hard to tell when someone is joking or not in text...Eh...she must be an extraordinary woman John. :BubbleGum:

[JBaker45]

It's hard to tell when someone is joking or not in text...Eh...she must be an extraordinary woman John. :BubbleGum:
She is interesting.

Here is her bio : http://www.groepwilders.com/details.aspx?ID=16

http://www.groepwilders.com/ISSUES/12/Agema.jpg

[Tallen]

John, you are going to have to start going to the CRC with me so that you can get used to the Dutch names.

Maybe it would get me to start going regularly again. :medium-smiley-010:

[TigerBunny]

She is interesting.

Here is her bio : http://www.groepwilders.com/details.aspx?ID=16

http://www.groepwilders.com/ISSUES/12/Agema.jpg

Impressive. Is she Christian?

[JBaker45]

Impressive. Is she Christian?
I don't know.

[TigerBunny]

I don't know.

Well then...good luck on your possible date. One way or the other the Gospel will get talked about. :bigtup:

[JBaker45]

Well then...good luck on your possible date. One way or the other the Gospel will get talked about. :bigtup:
Well.. I doubt that she will contact me.

She must get dozens of offers all of the time (as the late Dr. J. K. would say).

[Tallen]

I don't know John, these Dutch girls are plenty tough you know. Cold winter days on the fozen ice, skating around for hours in those long curly skates to get to school and back, those hard wooden shoes, fixin' the family windmill, plantin' Tulips and fightin' the Islamic invaders, and then eating some bean salad with ham (a dutch favorite) for dinner, then right back out on the ice to catch fish for Edam Fish the next day. Tough, really tough. http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_21_5.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZNxdm824MNUS)

Are you sure you want a date?

[TigerBunny]

I don't know John, these Dutch girls are plenty tough you know. Cold winter days on the fozen ice, skating around for hours in those long curly skates to get to school and back, those hard wooden shoes, fixin' the family windmill, plantin' Tulips and fightin' the Islamic invaders, and then eating some bean salad with ham (a dutch favorite) for dinner, then right back out on the ice to catch fish for Edam Fish the next day. Tough, really tough. http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_21_5.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZNxdm824MNUS)

Are you sure you want a date?

If I weren't married ( and a few other ifs :bigO: ) that sounds like the woman for me. I'm a wimpsicle in the cold. I'd need someone like that to survive. :biglol:

[JBaker45]

I don't know John, these Dutch girls are plenty tough you know. Cold winter days on the fozen ice, skating around for hours in those long curly skates to get to school and back, those hard wooden shoes, fixin' the family windmill, plantin' Tulips and fightin' the Islamic invaders, and then eating some bean salad with ham (a dutch favorite) for dinner, then right back out on the ice to catch fish for Edam Fish the next day. Tough, really tough. http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_21_5.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZNxdm824MNUS)

Are you sure you want a date?
Tough is good.

Family windmill? :biglol:

[Tallen]

If I weren't married ( and a few other ifs :bigO: ) that sounds like the woman for me. I'm a wimpsicle in the cold. I'd need someone like that to survive. :biglol:

I hear from a good source that a Dutch girl will put you out on the ice over night, in sub-zero weather, before she'll date you. I think the Eskimo's got some of their practices for survival from them. :bigthink:

[Tallen]

Tough is good.

Family windmill? :biglol:

BTW, my wife and I make an annual trip to Holland to see the Tulips and walk around through the old Dutch village. Holland, Michigan that is. It is very beautiful to see all of the Tulips, there are millions of them. http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/26/26_9_4v.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZSYYYYYYYYUS)

SEE HERE (http://www.tuliptime.com/)







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