The Republican Party

[Tallen]

I am not going to vote for John McCain, it is now a moral obligation. The more he talks the less I like his views.

BTW, RRHeustisJr I don't see the American Heritage Party in Michigan.

[JBaker45]

I am not going to vote for John McCain, it is now a moral obligation. The more he talks the less I like his views.
Oh no.. What has he said this time?



BTW, RRHeustisJr I don't see the American Heritage Party in Michigan.

[Tallen]

Oh no.. What has he said this time?

He has essentially told the Republican Party in North Carolina how he wants it to run. Instead of seeing himself as a servant of the party, he has taken the liberal approach of seeing himself the dictator of the party.

"They're not listening to me because they're out of touch with reality and the Republican Party. We are the party of Abraham Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt, and Ronald Reagan, and this kind of, uh, campaigning is unacceptable. I've said that. It will harm, uh, the Republicans' cause, and I've done everything that I can to repudiate and to see that this kind of campaigning does not, uh, continue. I have engaged in and will continue a respectful campaign of either Senator Obama or Senator Clinton." McCain

[travelah]

Ted, if you don't vote for McCain, you are placing one more vote in Obama's column.

[JBaker45]

Ted, if you don't vote for McCain, you are placing one more vote in Obama's column.
I love to jump on every opportunity to agree with you brother Trav.

(Lol - They don't come often enough :smile:)

[Yodas_Prodigy]

I have to agree with you too Trav. When we shop, if we go to the only store and have one vote for a dozen donuts, but only half the donut box is filled with the donuts I like, and this is my only opportunity to shop, I have to buy.

Terrible analogy. But you see my point.

[Yodas_Prodigy]

BTW, it's not McCain who you are voting for anyway. It's his running mate. Think about his age...

[Tallen]

Ted, if you don't vote for McCain, you are placing one more vote in Obama's column.

What an outstanding vision of moral leadership, McCain, Obama, and Clinton. I think that Rhuestis may be right on this, we need a third party that reflects Christian morals and leadership. A protest vote may be in order to send the message to the leaders of the Republican party.

In reality, I don't see much difference morally between MaCain and Obama. It is only in small degrees.

[tking]

He has essentially told the Republican Party in North Carolina how he wants it to run. Instead of seeing himself as a servant of the party, he has taken the liberal approach of seeing himself the dictator of the party.

"They're not listening to me because they're out of touch with reality and the Republican Party. We are the party of Abraham Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt, and Ronald Reagan, and this kind of, uh, campaigning is unacceptable. I've said that. It will harm, uh, the Republicans' cause, and I've done everything that I can to repudiate and to see that this kind of campaigning does not, uh, continue. I have engaged in and will continue a respectful campaign of either Senator Obama or Senator Clinton." McCain


Did you see that interview, though, Ted? He was referring to the smear ad that the campaign there was going to use. He didn't approve of it...thankfully. I'm not an Obama fan, but to use what his former Pastor is saying as a way to taint his campaign is dirty pool as far as I'm concerned. Wright has his own agenda, and he's exploiting Obama to get his "voice" on the air. Here you can see the ad:

LINKY (http://www.ncgop.org/home/index.asp)

What I found a little disconcerting was his no-holds-barred statement about how there would NEVER be a catastrophe like Katrina handled in the way it was if he were in charge. That's an awful big "never" to throw out there. Granted, Katrina's handling was an embarrassment for the entire country, but then she was also a first of that kind. Hopefully, although I have my doubts, the whole of Emergency Management learned its lesson.

[tking]

What an outstanding vision of moral leadership, McCain, Obama, and Clinton. I think that Rhuestis may be right on this, we need a third party that reflects Christian morals and leadership. A protest vote may be in order to send the message to the leaders of the Republican party.

In reality, I don't see much difference morally between MaCain and Obama. It is only in small degrees.

You may be right on that point, but who is this third party candidate?

I'm torn as well.

[Tallen]

You may be right on that point, but who is this third party candidate?

I'm torn as well.

I don't know, the American Heritage Party doesn't exist in Michigan, as far as I can tell. And the Constitution Party, I know little to nothing about. We do have third party's running for president in Michigan, Libertarian being one of them and maybe a good place to look to if we take YP's example of how many donuts out of a dozen represent our views.

[JBaker45]

Speaking of pastor Wrong.. I hear that the Nation of Islam is now providing him with "protection".

I'm sure he feels right at home in their company. :BigB:

[Tallen]

Did you see that interview, though, Ted? He was referring to the smear ad that the campaign there was going to use. He didn't approve of it...thankfully. I'm not an Obama fan, but to use what his former Pastor is saying as a way to taint his campaign is dirty pool as far as I'm concerned. Wright has his own agenda, and he's exploiting Obama to get his "voice" on the air. Here you can see the ad:

LINKY (http://www.ncgop.org/home/index.asp)

What I found a little disconcerting was his no-holds-barred statement about how there would NEVER be a catastrophe like Katrina handled in the way it was if he were in charge. That's an awful big "never" to throw out there. Granted, Katrina's handling was an embarrassment for the entire country, but then she was also a first of that kind. Hopefully, although I have my doubts, the whole of Emergency Management learned its lesson.

Terri,

I agree with Rush Limbaugh on this one. I often don't agree with him and don't hold him up as a moral leader. The ad is about Obama's morality, which is a real issue in the campaign. And about the Republican Party's right to make moral issues a part of the campaign, the Democrats do. Instead of McCain saying he doesn't agree with the ad, which is OK if he doesn't, he instead attacks his own party and makes an attempt to dictate to them. McCain works for his party, the party doesn't work for McCain.

[tking]

Terri,

I agree with Rush Limbaugh on this one. I often don't agree with him and don't hold him up as a moral leader. The ad is about Obama's morality, which is a real issue in the campaign. And about the Republican Party's right to make moral issues a part of the campaign, the Democrats do. Instead of McCain saying he doesn't agree with the ad, which is OK if he doesn't, he instead attacks his own party and makes an attempt to dictate to them. McCain works for his party, the party doesn't work for McCain.

I do agree with you..the bolded part in particular, but I guess I didn't really see the ad as a moral issue concerning Obama. Maybe I should go back and look at it again? As far as I know, he's denounced what the Pastor said, and he's now distancing himself even further after this latest thing about Wright demanding that the government apologize for slavery (how many apologies does it take for cryin out loud??).

Don't get me wrong, I think Obama has some real issues, and I personally don't trust his smooth-handed demeanor. I guess I just didn't quite get the same thing out of the ad that you did. You do have a completely valid point about the party and the candidate's powers though.

I gotta say, I am so confused with this election. I'm never really on top of things, but with the state our country is in economically, we definitely need a strong Commander in Chief.

Speaking of Commander in Chief...did you see Bush's press conference this morning? If so...what'd ya think?

[tking]

Speaking of pastor Wrong.. I hear that the Nation of Islam is now providing him with "protection".

I'm sure he feels right at home in their company. :BigB:

Seriously? Wow. That guy better watch himself if he opens the door on that one.

[Tallen]

Wright and folks like him have a stake in not allowing Obama to get to the Presidency. That is, as long as the liberal black population can be portrayed as the under-trodden and slaves of white conservative America, they have a message and agenda they can promote. Once he gets into the Presidency that message is no longer applicable because it is a liberal black American that is setting policy and has risen to power in the white political machine. (This is why the liberal black leaders rejected Alan Keyes in his bit for Presidency.) They have effectively been shut up by one of their own when he is let into the White House. So, I see Wright being more and more controversial to distant himself from Obama, in order to keep his mission in the news. Obama on the other hand can't renounce Wright because he will loose a part of his constituency and needed support for his political ambitions. Wright can renounce Obama, but Obama can't come right out and renounce Wright, even if he openly embraces Islam during this process.

Obama may try to put this at arms length, but he will never renounce Wright outright or renounce his earlier involvement in Wright's church.

This, at least, is an interesting time politically.

[tking]

Wright and folks like him have a stake in not allowing Obama to get to the Presidency. That is, as long as the liberal black population can be portrayed as the under-trodden and slaves of white conservative America, they have a message and agenda they can promote. Once he gets into the Presidency that message is no longer applicable because it is a liberal black American that is setting policy and has risen to power in the white political machine. (This is why the liberal black leaders rejected Alan Keyes in his bit for Presidency.) They have effectively been shut up by one of their own when he is let into the White House. So, I see Wright being more and more controversial to distant himself from Obama, in order to keep his mission in the news. Obama on the other hand can't renounce Wright because he will loose a part of his constituency and needed support for his political ambitions. Wright can renounce Obama, but Obama can't come right out and renounce Wright, even if he openly embraces Islam during this process.

Obama may try to put this at arms length, but he will never renounce Wright outright or renounce his earlier involvement in Wright's church.

This, at least, is an interesting time politically.

Now see...I hadn't even thought of that angle. Ha! It makes more sense now! I can't remember who it was, but a couple years ago on the Today show, I think it was, there was a black guy that kinda talked along those same lines. He said something about how it was a detriment to the black community to keep this "oh poor us" attitude going because today's black American had more opportunities than most any other race. It was self-defeating to keep up the mantra of oppression. You can imagine how the Revs Jackson and Sharpton reacted to that one.

[Tallen]

You can imagine how the Revs Jackson and Sharpton reacted to that one.

I imagine those two will show up and be counted at Rev. White's door step pretty soon, they have to keep the facade up so that they can keep their pay checks rolling in. If Bill Clinton didn't have to support Hillary, he would have been the first one there as he counts himself a black American.

There is a line in the movie Little Big Man where the grandfather calls the black man, "the black white man". It is exactly the right discription, these fellows keep there own people in a type of slavery to their agenda's so they can benefit. It is a shame.

[Tallen]

Now see...I hadn't even thought of that angle. Ha! It makes more sense now! I can't remember who it was, but a couple years ago on the Today show, I think it was, there was a black guy that kinda talked along those same lines. He said something about how it was a detriment to the black community to keep this "oh poor us" attitude going because today's black American had more opportunities than most any other race. It was self-defeating to keep up the mantra of oppression. You can imagine how the Revs Jackson and Sharpton reacted to that one.

Obama is put on the spot already.

SEE HERE (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080429/ap_on_el_pr/obama_pastor)

He has to object to this, and it will cost him now. He either alienates himself from the black leaders or from the voting population as a whole. Either way he goes he places himself in danger of the liberal black vote.

[tking]

Obama is put on the spot already.

SEE HERE (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080429/ap_on_el_pr/obama_pastor)

He has to object to this, and it will cost him now. He either alienates himself from the black leaders or from the voting population as a whole. Either way he goes he places himself in danger of the liberal black vote.

Yeah, and in a way I feel sorry for the guy. This Pastor is exploiting him like no slave owner ever did in history.

While he may be in danger of the liberal black vote, I'm wondering how many white votes he'll accumulate by objecting to that kind of rhetoric. The reason I say that is because I think many white voters, even though they'd probably deny it, are reluctant to have a black man as President because they secretly wonder if he'll try to rectify all the "wrongs" done to his race. By objecting to the Rev. Wright, it's "comforting" to them. I could be wrong about that, but I don't really think so.

Needless to say, this is going to be an interesting few days for Mr. Obama.

[TigerBunny]

Wright and folks like him have a stake in not allowing Obama to get to the Presidency. That is, as long as the liberal black population can be portrayed as the under-trodden and slaves of white conservative America, they have a message and agenda they can promote. Once he gets into the Presidency that message is no longer applicable because it is a liberal black American that is setting policy and has risen to power in the white political machine. (This is why the liberal black leaders rejected Alan Keyes in his bit for Presidency.) They have effectively been shut up by one of their own when he is let into the White House. So, I see Wright being more and more controversial to distant himself from Obama, in order to keep his mission in the news. Obama on the other hand can't renounce Wright because he will loose a part of his constituency and needed support for his political ambitions. Wright can renounce Obama, but Obama can't come right out and renounce Wright, even if he openly embraces Islam during this process.

Obama may try to put this at arms length, but he will never renounce Wright outright or renounce his earlier involvement in Wright's church.

This, at least, is an interesting time politically.

Might be a good time for Obama to embrace a different church. Conservative perhaps ( I don't know the stance of his present ). I'm thinking politically here. He'd loose some support in area's but also gain it in others.